ÍY SCÁĆEL means hello
Well I made a separate account for my photography and I did this because to me personally creating Pacific Northwest Coast art is my passion while photography is just my my hobby. I very much want to improve on my photography which is one of the reasons for posting what I have done on this site but I also did not want to drown this gallery out with my kitty cat and flower pictures since this artwork means so much more to me. Anyways here is my other account
My Name is Mark Gauti and the artwork here is inspired by my Pacific Northwest Coast First Nations (Native American) ancestors. My Grandmother is from both Songhees and Haida tribes and my Grandfather is from TSou-ke First Nation.
The name XEL,O,TEN XELET comes for the Sencoten language spoken by TSou-ke and other Coast Salish tribes. XEL,O,TEN XELET is meant to be spelt with all caps because the letters are from the Sencoten alphabet with each letter being pronounced differently then the English alphabet. XEL,O,TEN XELET means computer drawing.
I am currently working as an environmental scientist for my tribe TSou-ke and working outdoors in nature within my traditional lands has influenced my artwork. I have started drawing endangered species that are in our traditional territory hoping to raise awareness about them within the community.
XEL,O,TEN XELET
my photo account

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im definatly going to learn a thing or two from your art
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No worries. I have a few other books that help, one is Looking at Indian Art of the Northwest Coast by Hilary Stewart, which is fantastic. I know I didn't have to take it down, but i am not happy with the painting, I knew doing native art is difficult even when working from another image, but I had a great difficulty getting the shapes and curves symmetrical. Like I said the painting was an exercise anyways so no worries. Yea the paint I got looks great in person, like real copper, but obviously did not pick up well on the camera oh well.
Thanks for the great info and the tips and great talkin to you. I have a question for you, my father used to do some native art and says there is a tool called a snake, or something similar which you can bend so that you can make the curves and shapes perfect in the artwork. I was wondering if you know anything about that or if it has a different name or something because I could not find reference to it whenever I looked
Cheers,
Z
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and I dont think it was nessesay for you to take down that pic and I would have liked to see the copper version, after looking at your gallery I had a feeling you never just stole the image because you have some good work in there, but this is DA so I had to check
cheers,
Z
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It was done for a exercise in class studying color and since I don't think its a good painting of mine anyways, I figure I would remove it so as to not cause any unintentional trouble. Thank you for posting and reminding me to put the credit up.
Cheers,
Z
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At the moment, I like adhering to the strict guidelines of the style. I find it enjoyable to try fitting non-traditional subjects into this strict form to see far I can go without actually breaking the rules.
I think what is up for debate right now is not whether to follow the guidelines of the art style, because I'm fine with that, but how I should label the results of my experimentation and whether I should be using these rules at all.
And I don't know what I think yet. I don't have a lot of motivation to continue right now, since most of what I've gotten out of it lately has been annoyance, anger, warnings, and condemnation. I might get back into it later but at the moment I'm busy enough with other things to put it aside.
Thanks again. I'll be thinking about this.
Here's what I'm trying to say: Don't let others get in the way of your art. It's perfectly alright if you consult people for ideas or help with your art, but never let your art be manipulated to the point where it's not yours anymore. If you want to stay within the guidelines of formline design, then that's your call. But don't feel that because someone told you that you can't draw what you want because it doesn't follow the "rules", you have to listen to them. As was said above, even those who are "following" the rules break them from time to time. Don't let the ideas, restrictions, and prejudices of others become your art.
tarkheki considers imaginary creatures to be a sort of loophole - I'm not sure why exactly - but even then she asked permission from some authority and was given a condition under which she was allowed to draw them. I think she is very traditionally-minded, or at least wants to be.
I'm familiar with the concept of appropriation and I think that describes it quite well.
I'd agree with you about art not being "traditional" unless it arises from a situation within the traditional social order. Hearing you say that does make me rethink what exactly I am doing and plan to do, as it is not traditional but is simply made, more or less, within the purely formal constraints of a certain visual style that happens to be traditionally significant in a specific societal context. It wouldn't be "native art" in any sense - not that I ever thought it would be, but that does clarify things a bit.
I've never intended to make money off of my art in this style - not sure how that would work, really. A couple people have told me that I should try selling it, or that they'd want a tattoo of it, but I have no intention of doing that sort of thing.
I don't know what I'm going to do. I feel no particular compulsion to release my velociraptor at this point. In fact, the thought of seeing it sitting in my dA gallery sickens me a little.
I won't go so far as to regret ever getting into this style, as there's no escaping it now, and admittedly, it's been a valuable experience overall. But man, this is going to be a lot of work. Not the drawing itself, but finding my way through this mess.
Thanks for sharing your advice. It has been helpful.
I am not quite sure what you mean by Tark being against non-traditional representations since if you look in her gallery you will find pokeman characters drawn in pacific northwest coast native art style. Many of my drawings are of non-traditional subjects and people need to realize that art evolves just as everything else does but I also believe you need to learn the traditional stuff before you can start going into the non-traditional subjects.
One thing that you do need to realize is that what you are doing falls under the catergory of cultural appropiation. [link] This is when you take certain aspects from a culture and then the meanings are misunderstood or lost ( which is what it would be in your case, lost )
I personally am not against people experimenting with northwest art but my problem on DA is how many people label and represent their art. I believe people who are not from the culture should label their art “inspired by” and not traditional ( and I am talking native traditions here not medium )
Cultural art is a very grey area and for me personally I object and draw my line when it comes to things such as people not from the northwest culture getting tattoos or selling the art because I believe that is when they are truly taking ownership of something which is not theirs. So many people get tattoos or try and make a profit on things they do not even understand.
As an artist I understand what draws people to want to create this style of art but I disagree on how they present and mislabel it.
I am not sure if this answered your question.
I'm afraid to start tossing stuff out there before I really know what I'm doing or why (been talking with tarkheki). I'd like to find out more about what this art means to the kinds of societies and people who originated this overall style, but at the moment I'm rather clueless. I know enough about the visual, formal aspects of the art to be dangerous, for people to take me seriously, when I don't really have anything to say beyond "this looks cool, don't you think?"
I've talked with tarkheki about it, and asked Xaadaas - tarkheki is vehemently against any non-traditional representations, of course, and Xaadaas could hardly care less. I'm just looking for more viewpoints, because I don't know what to do yet. I'm not at all eager anymore to put that picture up, but I'm reluctant to leave it sitting in my drawing pad while there are people who've asked me to make more art in that style after seeing the Haida-lisk. And then I'm thinking that I am ethically obliged not to put it anywhere or show it to anyone, as it is in some sense an offense to the many societies that have created and refined the style for their own purposes, which this velociraptor falls completely outside of. Is there any way it might fit?
Is there any reason why I should keep doing what I'm doing?
Peace,
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much appreciated.
Wayne
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Yours truly,
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